Michael Zerafa vs Jeff Horn II
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Champion97
Fri, 2019-11-15 17:01
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Re: Michael Zerafa vs Jeff Horn II
Prediction,
I think Zerafa wins again, immediate rematches, more often than not, are the same result, because the winner has the momentum, probably a mental edge. Horn is an old 31, he took a lot of damage against Pacquiao, Crawford, Zerafa, been down twice outside those fights, he might well have underestimated Zerafa, but he has more miles now, only 4 months after the first fight, so he might be worse this time, even if he takes Zerafa more seriously.
It is worth noting that Zerafa was sparring Dwight Ritchie when he died, that might affect him mentally, any fighter will be sad, but sometimes it does effect a fighter mentally when his opponent dies or is permanently damaged, sometimes the fighter can still do his job in the ring as normal.
I think Zerafa stops Horn in 6 rounds.
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 05:05
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Zerafa says he's going to retire Horn. War Zerafa
Champion97
Mon, 2019-12-16 09:36
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Immediate rematches go wrong more often than not, and I think this will be Horn's last fight, Price vs Thompson is the example most people use, but I think Dogboe vs Navarrete, Machado vs Cancio, Lejarraga vs Avanesyan, are all better examples because they both lost worse in the rematch, so it's very understandable that so many people thought Ruiz would beat Joshua in the rematch.
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 12:17
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Did you watch the first fight? I'm going to try to get to it today or tomorrow. Both that fight and this fight only have live TV in Australia as far as I can tell.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-12-16 12:34
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No. Surprising it isn't on ESPN.
Did you hear Mikey signed with Fast Eddie?
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 12:42
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I'm surprised too, it seems like ESPN+ material. I looked around a little and wasn't able to find the first fight anywhere, unfortunately.
I did, $7 mil to fight Jessie Vargas who he's likely going to pay more than a million (he got a million versus Soto) is insane. I think Fast Eddie's play is to try to get Pacquiao vs. Mikey on DAZN later this year because Pacquiao is on his last fight on his PBC contract. In my opinion, any fight other than that doesn't make sense to pay Mikey that kind of money. I know you'll disagree with me but I think Mikey has been cashing out and I have very little interest in seeing him box anymore.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-12-16 14:10
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Mikey is my favourite fighter, I will remain loyall as a fan, whether he wins or loses, he should get more credit for fighting Spence, but in all honesty, I was naive to think he would win that, I can see why you think he is cashing out, but it depends how you define cashing out, he is definitely training, Robert won't let him slack in camp, but I don't know if he has the same confidence after the Spence fight, almost a year out as well, he's not young either, he's said he only has a few fights left, so I could believe he's cashing out if you use that term more often than I would. I think the Vargas and Pacquiao fights are both more interesting now than before, because Pacquiao is very, very old, I think Vargas is significantly below Mikey and Pacquiao, and the timing, weight aspect makes those fights more interesting, that being said, the Lomachenko fight has a 1% chance of happening now, and it's hard to put Mikey in the top 10 now.
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 14:23
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Fair enough, I respect that. I would say the same about Crawford. Yeah, I'm not saying he's going to show up like Ruiz, but he's basically only looking for big money fights at this point. As you said, he's said himself he only has a few fights left. I give Mikey a chance versus Pacquiao but not a big one. Mikey has very good fundamentals but I don't think he can counter effectively enough versus Pacquiao at 147, even at Pacquiao's age he's likely too fast and adapted to the weight for Mikey. Mikey's best chance is to hope Pacquiao falls off a cliff due to his advanced age and he can't put it together anymore. If it's the Pacquiao Thurman fought I don't think Mikey has much of a chance.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-12-16 15:26
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I don't think it's just about money and he won't show up like Ruiz merely because of professional, I think he still wants to accomplish, and wants to finish his career on a high, but that obsession with winning, that level of hunger that a top fighter has, I think has gone. He also has great head movement, blocking abilities, but he doesn't hit hard at 147, has never had a phenomenal output, but at 147, his output is low. I think Mikey would counter Pacquiao, and I think he would stop Pacquiao in his tracks, but based on the Thurman fight, Mikey can't hurt him. That could happen at the right time for Mikey, it has to happen one of these days, but if not, winning is a big ask, I think Mikey would edge Pacquiao at 140, I'd be confident he could beat Pacquiao at 135 if Pacquiao could somehow make that, but at 147, I have to agree with you. I think Mikey should move down to 140, I think he is too small to do well at 147, 135 would be a push, I know there are more fights at 147, but unless there's nothing at all at 140, his best bet is to move down. Vargas wants the fight at a catchweight between 147 and 154, that might be why it hasn't been finalised. Mikey's size disadvantage would be big enough at 147, he would be terrible at 154 or even 150.
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 15:35
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For what it is worth, Robert Garcia was calling for a fight with Prograis but that seems like wishful thinking given Prograis is heavily tied to signing with Top Rank. I agree Mikey should go to 140 if he really does care about legacy first. Rebuild with one fight and then fight one of the unified titlists.
What did you make of the ESPN card if you have seen it? I left a comment on my Crawford vs. Kavaliauskas scorecard if you want to reply.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-12-16 17:22
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Yeah, and if he has that now or never mentality, if he is cashing out, why target Prograis and not Taylor? I suppose his options at 140 are limited because Ramirez is in that stable, and is a unified champion.
I read the first few words of the comment, but I decided not to read it until I've seen the fight myself. I saw Lopez against Commey, very impressed by Lopez, but disappointed by Commey, I think Lomachenko schools Lopez, but Lopez is years away from his prime, and there is no reason not to think he will be a great fighter, like him or not. I've not been able to find Crawford vs Kavaliauskas, I heard he obliged Kavaliauskas and had a fight rather than boxed him, I heard he was lucky not to get counted, I'll watch the fight when I find the full video. I hope Crawford vs Porter happens next, because Porter deserves an immediate world title shot after the Spence fight, and Crawford needs more names on his resume, because it has to be said, his resume is not on the level of Canelo, Usyk or even Spence.
Gold
Mon, 2019-12-16 18:12
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I think Taylor has a mandatory next but I'm not 100% sure about that. Maybe they just think it is a more attractive stylistic fight/will draw better.
Here is a link to Crawford vs. Kavaliauskas:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7p6gyr
I want to review the Nakatani fight for Lopez before I make a prediction. I think there may be some x-factors in Lopez's favor as well. Hard to pick against Lomachenko though versus someone as inexperienced as Lopez even if they look great. That's basically what happened with Crawford vs. Kavaliauskas, it was around a Floyd vs. Zab type of knockdown. Maybe more questionable than that though. Crawford vs. Porter is great, I hope Top Rank makes them a good offer.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 00:41
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Thanks pal. I will watch the fight today.
I think Lomachenko vs Lopez is very similar to Mayweather vs Canelo, I haven't changed my mind on Lomachenko not being as good as Mayweather, but I don't think Lopez is as good as Canelo in 2013. Do you agree on the similarity?
Gold
Tue, 2019-12-17 06:17
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I can see where you get the comparison between Canelo and Lopez but Lomachenko doesn't fight like the Floyd that fought Canelo.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 08:54
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I didn't mean so much in terms of styles, I mean in terms of the timing aspect and the level of both fighters. Did you hear about Canelo vacating the WBO title at 175? I think that's wise, I think he'll fight at 168 next.
Gold
Tue, 2019-12-17 09:13
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Oh yeah, I can see where you are coming from with that perspective, but I feel like Lomachenko is more unstable than Mayweather was at that time. Sounds like it will be Saunders vs. Canelo next for the WBO 168. I'd like to see Zurdo vs. Kovalev/Gvozdyk for the WBO 175, both of those fights would interest me.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 12:00
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I like that fight, Saunders is good, we know that, but he needs a big fight now. Very interesting fights, I think Zurdo has a shot against both of them, I'd need to think about those fights before saying who I think would win, but hopefully Zurdo is in a big fight next year. It's worth noting that Gvozdyk had pain in the back of the head after the Beterbiev loss, was in hospital for observation, that's worth taking into account, and even though he might not retire, Kovalev should retire in my opinion.
Did you hear Glowacki vs Okolie is a possibility?, I like that fight.
Gold
Tue, 2019-12-17 11:19
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I didn't check the rankings before but apparently Umar Salamov is the #2 WBO 175 contender to Zurdo's #1 spot, so unless they update the rankings (which is definitely possible), that would be the vacant title fight. I think Gvozdyk needs time off as well but it may be too much to pass up the opportunity for a vacant title. Kovalev should retire but he has guaranteed fights on DAZN so I don't see him passing those up.
I heard that, Okolie is my least favorite fighter in boxing so I hope he loses but Glowacki may be shot. It is a good opportunity for Okolie but I can't see him staying at CW long if he wins. The money is too good to pass up at HW and he's not going to make CW forever.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 11:59
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I need to be more updated on the rankings, but it doesn't surprise me he's number 1 after he had the WBO title at 168. I didn't know he had guaranteed fights on DAZN, it seems highly unlikely he will retire, the Canelo loss might not have been more demoralising than the Alvarez loss, but he should retire, and with the miles he has, being old as well, he might be a stepping stone now.
Just because of the sheer volume of clinches and ugly fighting?, fair enough, I think he is better than you want to think, but he has a lot to prove, and he is horrible to watch, it has to be said. I think Glowacki likely is shot after the beating he took against Briedis, but we won't know for sure he's shot until he fights again, and Okolie has never fought an opponent of the calibre of Glowacki, so it's an interesting fight. Yeah, 6'5 isn't even short for a heavyweight, he's a vegan fighter, probably lives the life, doesn't seem touch and go for him when it comes to making 200, but it's still a big ask to keep making that weight for the rest of his career, and he will have to move up. I don't see Okolie doing well at heavyweight, he relies on his size at 200, he won't have that advantage at heavyweight.
Gold
Tue, 2019-12-17 12:32
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Yeah, that was a part of the Canelo vs. Kovalev deal. If Kovalev won they'd take the title back to ESPN. If Kovalev lost he would get fights guaranteed on DAZN (either 2 or 3, I can't remember). He should retire but I wouldn't be surprised if he could still beat someone like Zurdo.
Yeah, because he is extremely boring to watch and there is no interest and intrigue for me. I hope Glowacki beats him in a levels fight but I don't have my hopes up for it. I agree he relies on his size and he doesn't have the natural gifts of someone like Wilder to be able to take advantage of his frame.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 12:49
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It wouldn't surprise me if he isn't just cashing out because of the deal, but if the deal is the only thing stopping him retiring, Zurdo should have the beating of Kovalev. I think Zurdo was drained at 168, he obviously had an injury against Hart as well, beat him with one arm, I think he is underrated, beating a prime Kovalev is a very big ask for him, Kovalev vs Canelo was close for 10 rounds, and Zurdo is unlikely to be as adaptable as Canelo even without the significant size disadvantage, but I think he might beat Kovalev now, very tough one to call because I don't know how Ramirez would deal with the Kovalev jab and how he would take the right hand.
We'll find out as he steps up, how much of that is just him having a horrible style, and how much is inability. Okolie was impressive against Watkins and Ngabu in the rounds he got the stoppages in, he's been a level above everyone he's foight apart from Askin, but I couldn't see him beating a top 5 cruiserweight.
Gold
Tue, 2019-12-17 13:23
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Yeah I agree, it depends how much Kovalev really puts into it and he is someone who has a history of questionable motivation. Zurdo was totally uninteresting to me at SMW after he beat Abraham, he performed well versus Karpency so hopefully, he will perform better at LHW. I think it is a tough fight to call right now as well which is why I'd like to see it.
Exactly, hard to say much about him facing these European or below level guys. The good thing for him is that the top of CW is thin so as long as they avoid guys like Dorticos/Breidis if he beats Glowacki he should be able to hold the title for a little while.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-12-17 16:01
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True, he wasn't at his best against Chilemba or Alvarez the first time. I think Kovalev has changed his style since training with McGirt, sacrificed power for output, I think he would have done more damage against Canelo but also got knocked out earlier if he'd fought hiw he used to. Based on the Angulo fight and the fight against the African, I agree, but his fights against Hart were great.
I don't know if it's as thin as people think, but it's not the most competitive division in boxing, the reason I say it isn't that thin is because I think Makabu, Lerena, and the French fighter who trains with Abel Sanchez, are all underrated fighters, and I think they would all beat Okolie.
Gold
Wed, 2019-12-18 04:35
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Horn nearly finished in the 9th and then puts Zerafa on the floor twice to win by MD. Legend
Champion97
Wed, 2019-12-18 06:15
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Round 9 always seems to be a bad round for Horn. Credit to Horn for getting the win.