Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
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Champion97
Fri, 2020-01-10 19:21
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
Prediction,
I think Ramirez is improving with every fight, it was a great performance from him against Hooker, and he unified. The fight we all want to see is Ramirez vs Taylor for all 4 belts, Taylor just signed with Top Rank, the fight happening this year is possible, but Ramirez won't overlook Postol, this isn't a tune up. Postol is old, I think he will inevitably be worse than he was against Taylor, but I don't think he will be much worse, I don't think he is shot, and he can still compete at world level.
Postol is a solid Eastern European fighter, has the high guard, does the basics well, he isn't fast, but he can put combinations together, uses the ring, can control the range with his jab, I think style wise, he is similar to Golovkin, he doesn't have anywhere near the power of Golovkin, or the ability to break down an opponent, but I think there is a similarity. Ramirez doesn't have top level power, but he hits fairly hard, is a great pressure fighter, great inside fighter, has high volume, he takes time to find his range, isn't the best outside fighter, but he breaks his opponent down, is patient, and in his last fight, he got a great stoppage.
I think this will be fairly similar to the Imam fight for Ramirez, Postol will use the ring, out work Ramirez when Ramirez isn't in range to throw shots, Ramirez's head movement has improved since the Imam fight, I think he will do a better job of slipping the 1, 2, and Postol is slower than Imam, but Postol has better variety, is a better combination puncher, so I think as he cuts the distance, he will get hit at mid range with hooks and uppercuts, but I don't think Postol can hurt him, and I think even when Ramirez takes shots, and loses rounds, he will be making Postol work, and he will have more success as he gradually closes the distance.
I don't think Postol can sustain the movement and punch output for more than 8 rounds, his legs will let him down at 35, and Ramirez will take over the fight in the mid-late rounds. I think when Postol's movement has slowed or even stopped, and he doesn't have the same speed or weight behind his jab, it will be Ramirez's fight to lose, I think Ramirez will land clean, to head and body, in high volume, break Postol down, and stop him late.
Jarod Killian
Wed, 2020-08-19 16:27
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
If Crawford and Taylor couldn't do it (both KO ratio 75%) then Ramirez ain't gonna do it (KO ratio 68%). Jose Carlos Ramirez via UD.
Champion97
Wed, 2020-08-19 17:14
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
KO ratio doesn't guarantee anything, plenty of fighters hit harder than their KO ratio suggests, I'm not saying Ramirez hits harder than Taylor and Crawford, but it's not just about power, and Ramirez is a very aggressive fighter, breaks down his opponent. Postol is older and has more miles, Taylor and Crawford both put him down.
vc1088
Wed, 2020-08-26 03:49
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Yes, and Crawford was also on his on the back foot picking Postol apart for the entire fight as well. Bringing up the KO ratio for this was a little weird on his part.
Champion97
Wed, 2020-08-26 04:19
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That's a good point, Crawford wasn't aggressive against Postol, kept it technical, and Ramirez is a better pressure fighter, has a higher output breaks guys down, he'll never have the overall skill level or ring IQ of a Crawford, and I think he'll take a lot more shots from Postol than Crawford did, Postol will have more success against Ramirez while he's in there, but I don't think he can survive 12 rounds. Taylor vs Ramirez is the fight at 140, it's a 50/50 fight, I think Ramirez has been written off in the UK, Taylor underestimates him.
vc1088
Wed, 2020-08-26 17:01
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I think it's safe to say Ramirez will not be fighting off the back foot against Postol.
Taylor vs Ramirez would be an awesome fight. A fight for undisputed at the weight class with the two best boxers in the division. I don't know who I would pick in that fight.
Jarod Killian
Sun, 2020-08-30 07:07
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It is a good indicator though. It doesn’t always hold true but more often than not it does.
vc1088
Sun, 2020-08-30 11:38
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It can be at times. In this particular situation I don't think it was though.
Jarod Killian
Sun, 2020-08-30 16:10
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Agree to disagree then
Jarod Killian
Sun, 2020-08-30 16:10
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Agree to disagree then
vc1088
Sun, 2020-08-30 19:23
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Fair enough.
AJ Knight
Sat, 2020-08-29 17:42
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
I think Ramirez is one of the most exciting fighters to watch right now. The way he fights reminds me a bit of Arturo Gatti (in the sense that he throws a TON of punches), but with far better defense.
This fight is going to be amazing.
goosu
Sun, 2020-08-30 18:59
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
You might want to rewatch the fight.
Chris M95
Wed, 2020-09-02 06:15
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
rd 1 cpompetitive imo rds 9,10,12 swing
Guy Incognito
Tue, 2020-09-01 23:23
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
Viktor Postol dominated the start and finish, but Ramirez got the hometown decision. Disgraceful robbery.
Gold
Wed, 2020-09-02 04:06
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How was it a robbery when there weren't 7 clear rounds to either fighter?
Metalhead123
Wed, 2020-09-02 06:36
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Robbery is a strong word to use to describe this fight. At most, the outcome was slightly disagreeable, but I don’t think Ramirez was undeserving of the win.
vc1088
Wed, 2020-09-02 09:11
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No it wasnt
Guy Incognito
Thu, 2020-09-03 03:03
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Yes it was.
vc1088
Thu, 2020-09-03 11:24
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Nope
Guy Incognito
Thu, 2020-09-03 16:56
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Yep
vc1088
Fri, 2020-09-04 04:07
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No
Guy Incognito
Fri, 2020-09-04 06:03
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Yes
Champion97
Fri, 2020-09-04 06:14
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vc1088 He's still going, I strongly advise you don't respond by saying no, you're giving the fool what he wants, if you want to respond, make it as boxing relted as possible. The shortest discussions I've ever had with Guy Incognito have been about boxing, the longest have been childish arguments, as you can see, he'll do this kid's stuff, 'yep, nope, yep, nope', all day, but I challenged him to write a boxing analysis, and he didn't respond.
Guy Incognito
Fri, 2020-09-04 20:57
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Champion97: You are not stupid
Also Champion97: You're giving the fool what he wants
And when did you challenge me to write a boxing analysis?
Champion97
Sat, 2020-09-05 01:04
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I didn't say you weren't stupid, I said the misinterpretation didn't make you stupid.
Yesterday you idiot, typical that you're happy to continue this nonsense but anything about boxing is dismissed.
Guy Incognito
Sun, 2020-09-06 04:55
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Champion97: I didn't say you weren't stupid
Also Champion97 in the very same comment: you idiot
And I have already made numerous boxing analyses on here. You even replied to some of them.
Champion97
Thu, 2020-09-03 17:18
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vc1088 Guy Incognito loves this sort of thing, back and forth, fruitless, repetitive arguing, the way to shut him up and stop him having the last word is to make it about boxing, because he knows very little about boxing and has no interest in learning more about it.
Guy Incognito
Thu, 2020-09-03 22:29
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Uh oh, here we go again.
Champion97
Fri, 2020-09-04 00:53
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Of course no reply to the boxing related post.
vc1088
Fri, 2020-09-04 04:07
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I know I've seen him
Guy Incognito
Fri, 2020-09-04 06:02
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What are you on about?
Champion97
Wed, 2020-09-02 13:42
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If this was a disgraceful robbery, why are you the only one who had Postol by a landslide? 90% of us on here have it close either way, Boxing Scene had it a draw, that's a highly regarded paper, BadLeftHook, another good paper had very close. No shame in misinterpreting a fight, I did it myself the other week, but changed my scorecard when I realised I'd scored it wrong, this obviously wasn't a robbery.
Guy Incognito
Thu, 2020-09-03 03:05
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I didn't have Postol winning by a "landslide", and I wasn't the only one having Postol winning.
Champion97
Thu, 2020-09-03 03:16
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111-117 is probably a landslide, it's certainly wide. I very clearly said, most of us had it close, 2 points either way, it obviously wasn't a robbery. As usual, you've given up on backing up your opinion before the discussion has started, there is no point in saying what you think if you're not going to say why.
What it comes down to is, you misinterpreted the fight, doesn't make you stupid by any means, we've all done it, but that's obviously what happened here.
Guy Incognito
Thu, 2020-09-03 17:00
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Again, you are assuming that I must have made a mistake or "misinterpreted the fight", since you don't think anyone can validly disagree with your superior opinion. And you are saying now that I am not stupid, but it was not long ago that you called me "the stupidest person [you] ever encountered on the internet".
Champion97
Thu, 2020-09-03 17:23
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Your misinterpretation of the fight doesn't make you stupid, it's your response and unwillingness to accept you're wrong that makes you stupid.
I'm not repeating myself about this not being about agreeing or disagreeing or opinions. Everyone else who's commented, like me, is saying it wasn't a robbery, not that in their opinion it wasn't a robbery, but that it flat out wasn't, so with you saying it was a robbery, obviously, based on that alone, either you're wrong, or you're the only one who's right.
I challenge you to give me a good analysis for one of the upcoming fights.
vc1088
Fri, 2020-09-04 04:17
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Guy Incognito, having Postol winning isn't a bad result. I actually can see the score you gave this fight as acceptable. Ramirez winning this fight isn't a robbery either. This was a very close fight that could have gone either way. Any time a fight like this happens, people like you come out and whine that robbery occurred. It's kind of weird. I was messing around with the one or two word replies, but I'm not replying to you anymore.
Don't forget anytime you judge a close fight to come on here an complain that a robbery occurred because you have a different opinion from the judges.
goosu
Wed, 2020-09-02 17:51
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There is a difference between a close fight that could go either way and a robbery. This one wasn't even 60/40 or 70/30(where you might start arguing beneficial scoring), it was 50/50.
magic man
Thu, 2020-09-03 07:08
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Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol
Close fight, it could go either way. I think that Ramirez did a little bit more, showing more will. The left hand that hurt Postol during the 7th round was a key shot, because the ucrainian had to give up two round in order to reestablish hilmself. Postol worked very well with his left jab and he was also very clever avoiding the ropes for the most part of the fight, but he was also a little bit too cautious and unwilling to throw his right hand.