Campbell Hatton vs Jesus Ruiz

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Campbell Hatton vs Jesus Ruiz
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Saturday, March 27, 2021
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Victor Loughlin 40 - 36

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Fan Cards: Campbell Hatton vs Jesus Ruiz


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.JESUS RUIZ
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.JESUS RUIZ
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scorecard by CJKELLY
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.JESUS RUIZ
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scorecard by METALHEAD123
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.JESUS RUIZ
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scorecard by CHRIS M95
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.JESUS RUIZ
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Comments

Chris M95's picture

going into this fight sayin the hype bein crazy would be an understatement
personally tho i feel this may end up more closer to being a Chavez Jr story than a Roy Jones Jr or Mayweather Jr story

would be happy if thee kid proves me wrong down the line, the passion of some of his backers and UK fans in general here is commendable

Champion97's picture

Why do you think that?

Chris M95's picture

base ability given his skillset, fight iq and instincts and coordination going into late teens 20s and my estimated potential growth (purely subjective) in comparison to young fighters near that weight division of same age

and given the ceiling at 147 of up and coming talented fighters world title might be a step too far but let’s wait and Hope for the best tho

Champion97's picture

There are not many fighters as young as Hatton who are boxing on cards like this, and the few who are have done very well, it's very hard to predict a fighter's future at 20, instincts and coordination aren't things that will be tested for a long time, and are hard to analyse, skilset and ring IQ include too much that comes with experience (pacing, implementing a game plan). I think people should find a balance, no one can say with confidence Hatton Jr will be better or worse than Sr, I remember when Munguia beat Ali, he was a beast who needed to fight Charlo, Canelo etc ASAP, and after a couple of tough learning fights, he was a bum and a hype job all of a sudden, same with a lot of young fighters, a problem is with this era, we see fighters as they're starting out as pros, and assess their potential far too early because of it, in the old days, more fighters had their first televised fight when they already had more experience. Having said all that, you could argue he should have been able to finish Ruiz given how little was coming back, and Hatton admitted the nerves got to him.

Did you post your comment after the fight? I wasn't watching it live, I read your comment before I saw the fight.

Chris M95's picture

you and I know how young Campbell got that opportunity but I don’t wanna take anything away from him...he’s a game kid
fighters who start real young do display a lot of those things I mentioned by their early 20s off which you can somewhat base their ceiling in comparison to other up and coming guys who would be a future of a division or divisions and like you were getting at there are too many variables to consider and only way for young Hatton is up which is why I said it’s mostly subjective and I didn’t mind being pleasantly surprised by Hatton in the future

you’re right about the balance thing tho and you can say I’m being harsh I have disagreements with people on this kid in a lower weight class at 122 we think is the real deal in the future Dennis McCann with them fans saying he is a certified champion and me coming from a pov of he will or won’t be (providing he doesn’t grow out of that weight class) largely depending on who the champs are by the time young McCann is contenting for a title...me estimating his potential for growth given the amazing ability rn I don’t feel he beats guys life Fulton even 5-6 years down the line unless Fultons fallen off real bad or maybe Inoue is still near the top of this game and is fighting at 122 then (33 will be kinda old for weight class too )

granted the other talents at other weights who much is expected from in the future and who do display a lot better instincts and coordination at their young ages have relatively more pro experience than Campbell even if it’s only a handful of fights but given how Eddie was talking in the post fight and considering the opponent I do believe Campbell would have be matched up and progressed much more slower through the ranks
I have to disagree on the opponent was just in there surviving but even if he looked like that early that guy probably felt he could get lucky by the middle 2nd to the early 4th given his effort amongst being real gassed and Campbell being real easy to tag with hooks and uppercuts down the middle
I made that comment before the fight right before the opening bell Champ
a lot of people on social media were saying they were disappointed even while considering it was Campbells pro debut and given who the opponent was and how he was gassing hard many feel Campbell was gassing himself after the 2nd me tho I kinda expected this given watching his training clips and i expected a slower progression up the ranks than guys like Conor Benn

Champion97's picture

I can't disagree enough on that, I don't believe in this ceiling argument, not until they're in their late 20s. Granted, a non-puncher, fighter with a weak chin, can be seen early, but in my opinion, you can't read much into how a fighter this young implements his tactics or how many flaws he has. While some make better impressions and are better in their early 20s, some improve more than others throughout their 20s, I think it's baseless to predict Hatton Jr will be like Chavez Jr before he'd even made his debut. Good example, solid prospect, and as soon as he loses a round, is slow to stop an opponent, he'll go from being this beast and certified champion to a bum and a hype job. You can't say with confidence he can or can't because there's so little to go on at this stage is what I'm saying, and it seems like guessing at random more than anything else.

Coordination and ring IQ are far too ambiguous in my opinion, a lot of things fall into those categories, especially ring IQ. There was nothing on Ruiz's shots, Hatton's fatuige was only a factor in that it stopped him taking full advantage of Ruiz's fatigue, but he had more in the tank than Ruiz, won every round, and it took more out of Ruiz to take those shots than it took out of Hatton to land them. Did you see Hatton fight as an amateur? If not, the comment was literally a random guess.

Social media is full of nonsense, so I don't read anything into that. Hatton gassed himself, but it was never going to cost him against an opponent with no wins, he'll learn how to pace himself, you can't expect a measured performance from a kid making his debut, he hasn't had a chance to learn. It's interesting you mention Conor Benn, because Hatton is exactly the same as him in this regard, I said for ages Benn shouldn't be written off, he was a hype job, was never going to be as good as his dad, looked sloppy, poor technique, he had the tough fight against Peynaud, I've been saying for years he beats Kelly, and my argument when everyone was writing him off, was just the same as my argument on Hatton's career, he just needs experience, look at Benn's last fight, there's no difference between Benn and Hatton on this subject as far as I'm concerned, both made their debuts on big cards, both learned on the jobs and had their futures assessed far too early.

Chris M95's picture

bro a bit confusing you’re calling Conor Benn a “hype job” but you say you was making arguments for him doing better later on inhis career
how would you define a hype job

Champion97's picture

I'm saying he was a hype job as far as all the majority are concerned, that's what I mean, I'm not calling anyone a hype job.

Chris M95's picture

oh ok gotcha
that’s a great point actually about how some fighters through their 20s make better and longer strides than others in the same me time period and I kinda did take into consideration before making my assessment
going back to Chavez jr comment I’d call Campbell an overachiever if he can get and win a couple of fights like the the Andy Lees Veras and Zivics of the world for his time and weight class I’d Campbell had done well for himself if he achieves by 30 31 what Ted Cheeseman has at 25 already we have to agree to disagree on the ceiling point I believe domestic level is he highest level Campbell may win at Commonwealth,British maybe...maybe a rung higher European and if does prove to go be good enough to achieve those titles maybe contending or a path to a world title fight could be easier if he’s a draw but that’s as far I’m willing to predict

also I have to disagree vehemently on Ruiz shots not taking a toll on Hatton
and fair enough Hatton’s shots were doing more damage more the most part than vice versa but was a competitive fight not expected against this opponent by most
maybe in a smaller step fight around the time Campbells had like 10 fights or something Campbell made harder work of Ruiz than most expected

Champion97's picture

I don't see the logic, it just seems like guessing at random, especially considering you predicted Hatton's future before you even watched the fight, did you see him fight as an amateur?. 10 years down the line, you think Hatton will do well to be a proven British level fighter? I just don't get it, even if for whatever flimsy reason the 20 year old kid who's 1-0, seems unlikely to be as good as his dad, why would it take him so long to get opportunities? I could see him fighting for a British title in 2 years, definitely 3, he isn't in the same boat as Metcalf ir Eubank Jr, where he's on small cards at the start of his career, he just made his debut on a PPV card, and rightly or wrongly, Ricky Hatton's popularity will make Campbell easier to promote, especially if the Ruiz fight is anything to go by, one of the few things you can see at this stage is a fighter's natural style, and Hatton's style seems fan friendly.

In some contexts, I believe fighters reach a limit, but only when they reach a certain age and have already done everything right, exceptional timing, reflexes, power, don't get taught, and if a fighter isn't great because they don't have those things, then the ceiling argument is easier, and you can sometimes see if a fighter doesn't have those attributes at a very young age, but you don't know how far the fighter can go because there are too many unknowns, his trainer for example, I believe the difference between BoMac and Angel is the main difference between Danny Garcia and Crawford, I don't want to change the subject, but a fighter's mentality, at a certain level, isn't tested until he's in the biggest fight of his career, his overall adaptability, is unknown, these are the reasons I don't think the ceiling argument can be made for young fighters, but I'm not necessarily trying to change your opinion, just trying to explain mine. You've predicted further than I would, I just think it's baseless, not your opinion in particular, because it is also baseless to get carried away because you want to see a kid succeed, but it's simply too early and there are too many questions than need to be answered.

There were so few of them, they couldn't have taken more of a toll than Hatton's own pace. That wasn't competitive at all as far as I'm concerned, Hatton was more active, accurate, and did more damage in every round, were you not impressed by his inside work? He used the free hand and worked out of clinches, which made it hard for Ruiz to stop his aggression. I don't understand what mean about when Hatton had had 10 fights.

Chris M95's picture

before i get into the rest of your comment i got 2 questions if you feel its pointless or "baseless" just reply saying it is so that in my next comment i can get to the rest of your comment with regards to the speed at which Hatton may get a shot, your trainers para and that final bit there of the Ruiz fight

and since you've already said "but its simply too early and there are too many questions" i would understand if you wish too call my next first question "baseless" but since you want to keep getting at my "guessing"

ok here goes #1 if you're forced to choose right lets say pick between two sides of a same coin based on your knowledge going in prior to Campbell's debut would you say his career would entail him being in his father's shadows like Chavez Jr or like Mayweather Jr's exceed his father's accomplishments within 2 year since his career started
(baseless ?..too early?...fair enough i'd understand)

either way my point is there was considerable buzz when both fighters started their careers from my research on both of em online articles, newspaper prints, film footage etc (i wasnt following boxing when either fight started their pro careers so..) with Chavez Jr it was more excitement and hope and more of members within boxing reaching out and showing support for Sr but with Mayweather Jr media members were referring to how respected trainers in the sport like Steward were already saying Mayweather Jr's career could be up there with the Ray Leonard's when he was done (Steward seen Mayweather plenty as an amateur)
obv you can point those are 2 extreme examples and plenty of ones in between and that Chavez Sr was more successful as a pro than either Mayweather Sr or Roger and hence Chavez Jr had bigger shoes to fill but those were my examples when i made my original comment and i felt that Cambpell Hatton would be closer to one end of that spectrum from father sons examples in history (obv it doesnt have to be either or but yeah)

#2 from watching Jake Paul (24) training bag work, shadow boxing, sparring do you think would would find success in 5-6 years time at world level?

yes you can call it guessing but then again dont everything involves guessing to some degree be it fight predications or promoters trying to protect their investments early with potential big money making prospects
obv Campbell Hatton can be better than jake already and obv training aint everything but looking at most prospects and the levels they hit at the gym....that aint what i see when i watch Campbell Hatton training and obv like you've already pointed different fighters can progress differently throughout their 20's but dont you realize how hard and rare that would be...with everything needing to click for that fighter (trainers, supplements, opportunities at the right time and the blue chips fighters above them dropping off, losing, retiring, moving to different classes leaving a more barren one as they rise, more dedication and thats splitting hairs at the top levels .... and constantly staying at that level & improving that allows them to progress faster than more skilled polished fighters who are still hungry themselves within a certain time period)
quite a few examples of drastically improved fighters being able to find consistent success at the top later on in history but that small chunk of the big picture still

Champion97's picture

Did you watch Hatton fight as an amateur? If not, how can a prediction about a fighter's future have any substance whatsoever? That's surely a guess, the reason I say baseless is because there's nothing to base it on, my argument isn't necessarily pro Hatton, I'm saying you need to see a fighter fight to have a valid opinion.

Good analogy, predicting a fighter's future before you've seen him fight is a bit like flipping a coin. More likely you're argument is right than he's better than Ricky in 2 years, just based on how rarely a fighter as good as Mayweather comes along, I don't know if Mayweather Jr was better than his dad, 2 years into his career, but it's possible, and 4 years in, when he beat Corrales, he was definitely better, he accomplished a lot at a young age, his pro debut was better than what we saw from Hatton last night, but you made your initial post before the fight. I don't think your argument is more likely to be right than Campbell being better than Ricky when he peaks, which will likely be in 7-8 years, so the alternative to your argument isn't just Campbell matching what Mayweather did.

The difference was Mayweather's amateur background, Chavez had 2 bouts, Mayweather was an Olympic bronze medallist. Good point about Chavez Jr having bigger shoes to fill, but Hatton wasn't as good as Mayweather or Chavez Sr, so it isn't as big as ask for Campbell as Chavez Jr or if one of Mayweather's sons turns pro.

No, Paul is a bum, doesn't look like it to the uneducated eye, but a bum can look good against another bum, you're only in against your opponent. Looking good on the bags and the pads is something you pick up very early, I know that first hand, it means very little, it means absolutely nothing if you're comparing fighters, you don't look good on the pads before you wear gloves, it takes a few weeks, but you can look good on the pads, 2 months after starting non-contact boxing, no doubt.

That's just hope, the promoters are businessmen, but they want to make money first and foremost rather than for the fighter to succeed, the biggest draw and fighter that generates the most money isn't necessarily the best.

Are you questioning if Campbell is better than Jake? That's an absolute no brainer. What do you mean you don't see him hitting those levels in training? When you watch him on the pads? Well that means nothing, the age and unpredictability aspect isn't even important when it comes to the pads and bags. How rare what would be? A fighter who doesn't look like the best prospect improving more than the other prospects who look better? That isn't rare, any fighter with a good team will get him the right nutrition, a good manager and promoter should try to get him the right opportunities at ideal times, that should be the case with Hatton whether he's as good as Ricky or not, so I don't know what your point is there. True, opposition allows a fighter to imporve, a good resume is valuable experience, but what makes you think Hatton won't get opportunities given who is dad is and the magnitude of the card he made his debut on?

Most fighters aren't the finished article on their debut, a fighter who isn't the most impressive prospect doesn't need to improve drastically faster than his rivals, but even just slightly, one aspect can make the difference, whether it's a fighter having an especially good trainer, living the life more than other fighters, or having more adaptability and versatility when tested. Another reason you can't put much stock in fights this early is that some fighters look better against poorer opposition, and others have a better performance brought out of them with a challenge.

Chris M95's picture

yup made it before the fight and that was my point Campbell Hatton doesnt have to go on to have as great a pro career as Mayweather JR
the bar set for him obv in that comparison is him having to be better than Ricky which is what i was getting at when i made my initial comparison and hence my prediction (around the time he's peaking as you've said 7-8 years he'd just have to hit the peaks Ricky did and if he better than that to 'step outta his shadows' like Ricky hopes for right)

Ricky already had more impressive amateur credentials himself stepping into the pros and like you said Chavez Jr amateur career is basically non existential.....like Campbell here (not saying successful pro fighters have to necessarily be successful amateurs and plenty of examples of successful amateur fighters not reaching expectations in the pros) but then again aint that a better gauging stick going into the pros but than hype based on a surname and what that tells me is Campbell Hatton like Chavez Jr needs to have in essence a learning curve in the pros what talented young fighters with hype behind when starting their pro careers had in the amateurs and if you remember right Ricky was always talked about being moving slowly by Frank Warren hence in this equation the bar is set even lower for Campbell Hatton...you'd give Campbell 7-8 years to reach his peak in a way to make a comparison to Ricky at his peak that's fair yeah?...i'd give 10-11 maybe 12 years to show and prove at domestic level from my expectations based on what Campbell's shown going into his pro career but those expectations of him could change based on how his pro career progresses no doubt and id be willing to admit if im wrong

from your previous two comments including your statement in your last one " but what makes you think Hatton won't get opportunities given who is dad is and the magnitude of the card he made his debut on? " I believe that comes down to how his promoter and team gauges Campbell's "risk vs reward" based on the ability Campbell showing at given a point in time against opponents deemed a level or 2 below than the level those opportunities are at and i dont see Ricky putting Campbell in fights deemed to be blatant mismatches not in favor of his son and like you said "the biggest draw and fighter that generates the most money isn't necessarily the best" i dont disagree, that would mean even lesser incentives for the promoter to put him in vs the best or to prove himself in world level especially if Campbell ability wise aint near those world level fighters at his weight class a decade from now so as to not deem em mismatches in his opponents favor
im not saying Campbell has to make drastic improvements rn to match other young talents rather the opposite Campbell based on his lack of top experience at elite level to fine tune his skills and based on his showing in his first pro outing i'd agree with Paul Smith or however's assertion that Campbell has to be babied through it in his pros and that and with Eddie saying Campbell has to be moved along slowly but that comes with a catch 22 and would leave Campbell in the future to make up large grounds in terms of stepping up in levels in order to give the idea that he could be competitive with the fighters who could be the best in his weight class...not impossible tho
and dont you think they can take away the added pressure on Campbell back for maybe a handful of fights of him having to prove himself on dazn on sky sports cards and step away from that magnitude of the spot light by fighting on untelevised cards and help focus focus solely on improving his craft and ease his path with aforementioned learning curve but that's probably unlikely given the viewers they could get off him and the contracts that young Hatton may have signed
they say " match making is the toughest job in boxing" and Campbell debut justifies that statement
wouldnt surprise me if the match makers feinted in that 2nd or 3rd rds there but then again who do they step up him with that's not too much better than an opponent whose 0-10 at least on paper and a style that may not provide a shock for Campbell come fight night 2nd time round....long way to go but only way is up

with regards to Jake Paul being a" bum " i dont disagree with that but then again what are we basing that on?...the guy's hardly had any pro fights himself.....basically his ability in sparring and training shown vs that of pro level fighters
(also in Paul's case yeah i'd concede this aint his first profession and hence wont be putting time and effort to make improvements consistently like younger pros do)
not saying Campbell's as bad as Jake just that there are levels and Campbell technique feels wanting compared to a good number of young talents imo

Champion97's picture

I take it you didn't see Campbell fight as an amateur, so the initial prediction from you was a coin flip, nothing wrong with flipping a coin, but that's what it was if you didn't see him fight at all.

There isn't a lot in it, both had short amateur careers, but Ricky's was better it seems, and he was even younger than Campbell when he turned pro, that's something.

Of course it's a better gauging stick, I never credited Campbell because of his surname, I said there's no argument he will or won't be better than his dad when you haven't seen him fight. Campbell's amateur career was far better than Chavez Jr's, 30 bouts isn't many, but he fought at National level, and 20 is young to turn pro, Campbell's age and amateur background aren't reason to think he will or won't be better than his dad when he peaks. I'd give him 7-8 years to reach his peak because late 20s are when a fighter logically peaks. 11-12 years to prove himself at domestic level based on what? His debut, that's quite the claim, I wouldn't say it's baseless because you've at least seen him fight now, but it's very little to go on, in 11-12 years, Campbell is likely to be on the decline, so he'll have achieved all he can before then given he isn't a late starter. I respect that, but if he proves you wrong, you won't have an explanation about why you thought he wouldn't be as good as his dad, the answer is, hold off until you've seen a fighter fight.

Good point about which fights are high risk and high reward, but it's hypothetical because we don't know how quickly he'll progress, therefore, we don't know when Hearn will put him in high risk fights, his improvement is an unknown, but one problem he won't have is not getting good learning fights, he'll be well matched, that was my point, and because his debut was on a big stage (PPV card), and his next fight is on another big card, he'll be used the that pressure in a few years, that won't matter if he doesn't technically improve much and weaknesses are exploited, but the deck is stacked in his favour. But again, that's a coin flip, we don't know where he'll be in a decade, he's too untested, we don't know what division he'll be in or how competitive it will be either. At 20, plenty of fighters have more amateur experience, but plenty have less as well, Conor Benn and Eubank Jr both had less, Benn looks well on his way to being better than his dad, Eubank isn't as bad as most of us make him out to be even if he isn't as good as his dad.

I don't agree with that because moving a fighter slowly isn't a problem if the fighter has time, and again, we'll see how he progresses, a lot can happen in 3 years, look at how far Benn has come in that time. I don't see his focus on fights being a problem as he adapts to the pressure of the big cards, and it's pressure he'll be used to.

It was a one sided fight, people might have been frustrated Campbell couldn't stop Ruiz, but that would be it, it wasn't a hard fight for him in terms of beating Ruiz, he made it hard because he was pushing for the stoppage, Ruiz has only been stopped once, that's worth noting.

Good question and a more interesting question, I think they will look to get him a slightly better opponent, and an opponent who will open up more and not just be physically hard to stop, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't because they'll want to build Campbell's momentum, but I think he'll give him a very slight step up, likely another opponent with a losing record, but still a slightly better opponent.

He's had 1 amateur fight, against another bum, KSI's brother, he's never fought a boxer, I've done more than Jake Paul and I haven't boxed in years, most boxing fans have done as much as him, it's disgusting that he gets anu recognition, he started at 23, didn't work his way up, he's a bum, 100%. Don't be naive and buy into the cameos and training he's done, sparring is not a competition, often, one is helping the other, sparring is practice, it's important, but if it's filmed, the footage shouldn't leave the gym. Jake Paul is a bum if there is one, he's nothing but a social media celebrity who makes a mockery of boxing, him getting big fights is pissing on the cornflakes of real fighters.

If I thought you were saying that, I'd stop this discussion, because only a moron would argue that. Technique based on the Ruiz fight? If so, that's a fair criticism. It will be interesting to see how much progress Hatton can make as his career goes on.

Chris M95's picture

in terms of quality absolutely its real easy to split em in the ammys Campbell and Ricky and that was what i getting it with the Chavez Jr and Campbell comparison with experience in getting over quality opposition as amateurs or the lack thereof...Hatton been ABA champion and a bunch of national unior titles, world junior medal and like you said Ricky did all that at a younger age

"holding off" would be the most safest play and a logical bet i dont mind you saying that and i respect your position
i never claimed you said that my initial comment was based of what his backers and a lot of fans been saying blurring the lines between a fighter whose initial promise shines vs a fighter people hope would succeed cuz of his surname
i got your point on them able to match him well and cards stacked in his favor hence my counter point earlier of them only being able to do it in a way that constantly tests him and keep him improving only if they do have reasonable doubt of him being able to overcome those match ups with success
fair enough Campbell "improvement is unknown" but one thing we do know is around the weight class he fought at last night lets say 135-147 the young talent pool is stagnant at world level which in turn would force Hearn and others to be extra vigilant not only in match making for Campbell in the distant future but also to maintain pace with stiff enough tests in his path to get there all while making sure to not destruct their investment with extra careful steps along the way given Campbell's probably needs more improvement than most young talents starting out (looking backwards from the ability required to compete at those weight classes at world level in a decade time and the improvements Hatton doesnt got a shot without making consistently and yearly to get there)
going back to Chavez Jr yes Jr had lesser amount of amateur fights than Campbell but his path making improvements started off as a lot of Mexican fighters do around 14-16 years old...Campbell's still needing to make that start 4-5 years later age wise imo

that's a great point man about Campbell constantly having to deal with the added pressure of him been on ppv and hence being able to deal with it better later on...time well tell
and like you pointed it could be the nerves with Campbell more so than anything and maybe he needed to get that debut outta the way either way id feel its only harder on him each time and may take more effort out of him each time and it may not hurt Campbell to make improvements out of the spot light for a handful of fights before coming back doing the same...1 step backwards to take step 2 steps forward kinda thing and it still would be early if Campbell's team does decide to do that and get him back in the spotlight mid 2022 say with more than a handful of fights

personally i wouldn't go on to be so critical of young Hatton if it was a stoppage issue and or if he took his time positively looking to make improvements, putting himself in a similar situation where's he made a mistake earlier and working to achieve a better outcome, not repeating mistakes as the rds progressed, being more creative setting up his shots, being more defensively responsible as the fight wore on i wouldnt have had an issue with Hatton going the distance i vehemently defend young fighters early in there career saying they dont need KOs necessarily...Shakur Stevenson had a couple fights in his 5 that went the distance and i strongly defended the fact that he didnt need to stop every opponent
imo it was good enough if he was in control of the fight most of the way and working on his game as the rds progressed only that i didnt see either with Campbell vs Ruiz (granted Shakur had much better experience than Hatton does at 20 which goes to my point that Campbell needs to be moved along real slowly)

you asked me earlier if i was impressed with his inside work from what i remember it felt more forced as the rds went on against an opponent who wasnt better equipped to make more of the advantages he could find vs young Hatton and Hatton was able to fight at a comfortable enough pace which allowed him to pick and place some of the shots he could find despite his technique mainly the ones that hurt Ruiz to the body watching him through rds 2 & 3 i couldnt agree more when Paul Smith said he had to better and less predictable in sitting up his shots and at the outside in centre ring in one of those rds Ruiz slipped a couple of Hatton better right hands that made him look a bit like a better defensive marvel for a bit lol Hatton offensive arsenal and fire power got him through and i agree with most of uncle Matthew's assertions post fight "loading up a bit" "lost his shape" " all a learning experience' " Campbell shown in flashes there what he can do" I mean Campbell did look good first rd early part of 3rd minute 2nd round and the middle parts of the 4th offensively without getting touched up too badly in most of em moments

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It's easy to say who's amateur career was better, but there isn't a lot in it. That is a good point, but I just don't think starting 2 years earlier with marginally more amateur experience is enough to say with confidence Ricky won't be surpassed by Campbell, agree to disagree on that I suppose, unless you have something else to add on that.

This is what I meant about the balance, you see people getting carried away, so you go the other way. There's no reason in my mind to think his handlers will or won't have doubts he can win a potential fight, but potentially, given the promotional benefits he has, he doesn't have to be rushed and grab an opportunity with both hands, they have a degree of control of how fast they move him.

135-147 is stacked, good point, but a lot can happen in 3 years as I said, Haney, Lopez, Garcia have all come on leaps and bounds in that time, Lopez more so than the others, but they've all improved, not saying they weren't ahead of Campbell when they were 20, but they have all achieved a lot at a young age, a lot of fighters have, and the next generation have set the bar so high, other young fighters are being written off for being behind them. The problem is, because we've seen so little of Hatton and there are so many unanswered questions, that's hypothetical, you're talking with the assumption that Campbell won't make a lot of progress in the next 2 years, I'd also be making an assumption if I tabbed him to be better than his dad, it's too unpredictable, but down the line, if Hatton makes as little progress as you seem to expect, he'll be kept at a certain level, and it won't be touch and go for his matchmakers his whole career.

Does he need more improvement than most young talents? I doubt it, it would be a different story if he'd had an inactive spell, had started late, or he'd really under performed, you might argue the latter, I disagree because of Ruiz's durability and lack of willingness to engage. I think you're putting the cart before the horse and creating a distinction, not every good fighter has a demolition of a debut, you talk a lot of sense on the assumption you're right, but you haven't seen enough to have any confidence in what you say. Chavez Jr's discipline was a problem, I see no reason why that will be a problem for Campbell.

Why would the pressure of the big stage be harder each time? Can you give me an example of when a fighter has said that's been the case for them? Because I've never heard that.

Learning and stopping making mistakes within a pro debut is a big ask, I agree he made mistakes, but they didn't cost him, and he was trying to make a statement rather than win first first and foremost, it makes sense he won't fight like that against a tougher opponent, it would be different of he'd tried to go on the defensive and been caught, your argument makes sense if we assume he'll continue to make those same mistakes, but it's just an assumption. Good point about setting up his offence, it's more common that a fighter head hunts, and neglects the body, he did the opposite slightly, I don't see a reason he won't work on that, but that's a fair criticism.

There's no evidence he needs to be moved along 'real slowly', again, that's an assumption. Stevenson and Lopez are fighters who have progressed exceptionally quickly, it doesn't mean much that Hatton needs more time than they did. I don't think Hatton is particularly early or late starter.

Good break down. I agree he should have been more methodical, and he rushed and punched himself out, but it's hard to put stock in him missing some shots and getting caught a few times because he was trying to make a statement, that's often the problem with loading up, Ruiz was more durable than he expected, he prepared to fight an opponent he could blast out in a round, might have got carried away with his own power, and because Ruiz rarely gets stopped, is durable, might have been defensively better than Campbell expected, Campbell couldn't stop him, that being said, I think he could have stopped him had it been a 6 round fight, Ruiz didn't have much left, his demeanour was telling, it was tougher than he thought, I think he expected the clinches to stop Campbell's momentum, but Campbell spun him on the ropes, and worked out of the clinches.

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marginally better in terms of years maybe or not but in terms of accomplishments? no, not unless the argument is Ricky's level of competition in the ammys he beat for those accomplishments were significantly lower than the general talent pool of Campbell's time
yup "agree to disagree" it is

YES EXACTLY fighters you've mentioned have come a long way in 3 years time Haney, Lopez & Garcia but all of em were way ahead ability wise than Hatton is starting off so the learning curve to match what those guys did within a similar period of 3 years is much steeper for Hatton (say 2020-2023) and its not like those fighters arent going to keep improving themselves between now & 2023, saying its a tall order for Campbell Hatton if he is to compete with those guys or most highly touted "blue chip prospects" at world level say at a weight class like 147 down the line would be an understatement, that was my initial point not saying Campbell wouldn't be making a lot of progress himself within the next couple or so years and i dont disagree that there's too many variables to factor in and a whole lot could go wrong or different between now or then, anything be possible, all im saying im playing the odds game early

"if Hatton makes as little progress as you seem to expect, he'll be kept at a certain level, and it won't be touch and go for his matchmakers his whole career" solid point there bro

"Chavez Jr's discipline was a problem, I see no reason why that will be a problem for Campbell" you're killing me for making early predications but aren't you making one there yourself lol
one thing i can say is Campbell like Chavez Jr would probably have lesser margin of error when it comes to aspects as those than more skilled and coordinated fighters that started off and came through tougher gauntlets at much younger ages like the Haney's Garcia's Lopez's also boxing history shows in more instances than not lesser skilled fighters tend to take longer to bounce back from early career setbacks more reason for Hearn to match Campbell more carefully than how those guys were matched up early too

"given the promotional benefits he has, he doesn't have to be rushed and grab an opportunity with both hands, they have a degree of control of how fast they move him" BEAUTIFUL POINT bruh once again articulately said as you can see throughout our discussion here i havent disagreed with any similar sentiment with regards to the degree of control they have there

technically its impossible to make any kinda statement without getting the win first and foremost but yeah point taken...Campbell didnt wanna sit on his advantage and finish with a bang fair enough but when you dont and hit back flush in return constantly and badly you're going to be judged based on that....I dont think Campbell did horrible per se...was a good little debut where he displayed some of his offensive skills and fair enough Champ the margin of error is much lower than against better fighters but then again how lower or different can Hearn set the bar after after that based on their expectations and probably needing statement performances on PPV cards?...maybe less durable guys?...if they're doing that arent they in a way also conceding thy're taking a step back and that Campbell needs to improve in setting up his shots better in hurting his opponents
"it would be different of he'd tried to go on the defensive and been caught" brilliant point there Champ ( i've made similar arguments for Benavidez over Saunders) that'd be much worse but then again i'd also look at if he stays getting caught with similar punches while considering a style the fighter's employing and the quality of shots he gets hit with
oh i believe Ruiz did find success with his clinches in stifling Campbell's momentum to a degree leading Campbell to be more sloppy...from what i remember Campbell was getting hit back himself with left hooks on the other side when he tried to free his hands to go the body with his own left hand
not saying Campbell has to look like a peak Andre Ward or Barrera on the inside on his debut but im critiquing his performance largely on the ability of his supposedly mismatched opponent and the fact the that in the "flashes" that Hatton was brilliant at his opponent couldnt live with him but then again maybe im being hyper critical and i need to step back

i talked to a few guys whose opinions i respect across different social media and 3 outta the 4 believe Campbell could hang at world level down the line while making points not too dissimilar from yours man with regards to being matched right and his training so idk i may be over my head here with these predictions lol

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Marginally as in slightly more bouts and at a slightly higher level, Campbell fought at a fairly high level as an amateur, never in any world amateur championship tournaments, but in national and even international tournaments, neither had long or high level amateur careers overall.

I thought I also said that, I agree that Hatton seems unlikely to be where they're at now, at 23, but it's hard to say how far behind he'll be. They achieved a lot at a young age is what I'm saying, Hatton isn't an early or late starter, all 3 of those examples being better than Ricky in a few years, Lopez already is, maybe Garcia and Haney as well. There isn't much of an odds game to play is what I'm saying, it doesn't make much sense to predict the future of a 20 year old kid who's starting out as a professional, doesn't have time on his side or against him.

You can see the difference between predicting a professional fighter to be disciplined is the same as predicting him to be as good or not as good as his dad before you've seen him fight. That's a good point, I'd go along with that if Hatton had been out boxed at all, but he wasn't, I don't see any reason to think he isn't technically skilled given his experience, his technical skill, coordination, and other attributes, are untested, so time will tell.

I appreciate that man, I don't think we disagree strongly on Hatton or what his next steps are, it's how much stock we can put into what we already know about him and have seen of him that we disagree on.

Constantly and badly? He didn't take many shots for the tempo of the fight, if it had been a low tempo, a stand off, yes he'd have taken enough shots to be criticised heavily, but he was in the pocket, wasn't a dangerous pocket, but still the pocket. Is should be easy for Hearn to get a slight step up, an opponent with a record of 2-7, something like that. I don't know if less durable guys are the answer, I can see why you say that, the argument is that he needs explosive wins, but does he? It might not be fair, but he adds something to PPV cards just because of his name, the people you referred to would pay to watch him fight because he's Hatton's son, there are a lot of them, let's also remember, he has a fan friendly style, I didn't think it was an entertaining fight, but if Ruiz had been slightly offensively better, I think it would have been a decent fight. Getting the rounds in is good for young fighters, so durable opponents are sensible matchmaking, future opponents will write off his power at their own peril.

Thanks man. That was the problem I had with Golovkin's critics regarding his defence, when shots were bouncing off his forehead and he was doing all the damage. I didn't think Ruiz landed good quality shots, and he certainly didn't hurt Hatton, it will be interesting to see how much less he gets hit in his next few fights. Hatton moved away from some shots as they came, still got his own shots off, Ruiz had to reach at times, but Hatton left his chin open and had his chin up, which I think is worse than letting your guard down, his defence will be tested.

I didn't see much of that, I remember Hatton turning Ruiz on the ropes, and working away at the body with the right hand as Ruiz trapped the left. One thing I will say is that Hatton wasn't consistent, his pacing was poor, it's one thing to load up too much, be aggressive, not have much defence, but he went on and off the attack, Ruiz couldn't take advantage, but he'll have to learn how to do the rounds as he steps up.

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Solid performance from Hatton, there were flaws for him, but 20 is very young, he got caught a few times, but he did a lot of good work on the inside, landed a lot of accurate body shots, Ruiz did very well not to go down, Hatton wasn't consistent, put a lot into an attack and eased off before he went back on the attack, but he didn't let Ruiz clinch, and turned Ruiz on the ropes. Hatton didn't get the stoppage, but Ruiz is durable, has only been stopped once, and knew how to survive, was negative, was trying to avoid the pocket, so it's hard to rate Hatton's finishing based on this fight.