Alexander Povetkin vs David Price

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Alexander Povetkin vs David Price
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Date: 
Saturday, March 31, 2018
Location: 
Principality Stadium, Cardiff, Wales, UK
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Titles at Stake: 
WBA Inter-Continental & WBO International Heavyweight Titles
Referee: 
Howard Foster

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On the undercard of Anthony Joshua vs Joseph Parker (WBA, IBF, WBO heavyweight world title fight), former British and Commonwealth heavyweight champion, Liverpudlian, David Price, faces a very difficult mission as he takes on former WBA heavyweight world champion, Russia's Alexander Povetkin.

Despite height, reach, weight, and age advantages, Price is more or less a unanimous underdog, as he is known for his weaknesses, his defeats, more than anything else, whilst Povetkin, aside from a one sided defeat to Wladimir Klitschko, has had a punch perfect career.

Povetkin is the aggressor to start the fight, as he throws punches in variety at Price, who blocks well, but is hesitant to commit to his own offence. Price does establish his own ability early, as he lands his jab a couple of times, and finishes the round with a right hand on the bell, which seems to hurt the Russian.

Price is insistent on standing his ground in the second round, keeping his tight guard, but Povetkin's variety, offensive skill is tough for the underdog to work around, as the Russian seems to dictate the pace.

Price takes more chances in round 3, but Povetkin is composed, and consistent. Price opens up more, throws more shots, and although he still keeps his tight guard most of the time, he is caught flush with a crushing left hook from Povetkin, still early in the round. Price is down heavily, he is hurt, but not too hurt to wallop the deck in frustration, and enthusiastically rise up to his feet. As the third round progresses, Price has more success, and Povetkin, surprisingly, seems to be struggling, with the round still competitive, Povetkin, still having success, Price seems to gain confidence. The momentum swings at the end of the round, as Price lands flush on Povetkin's jaw with a great left hook, rocking the Russian, sending him tumbling backwards into the ropes, which clearly stop him from hitting the deck, referee Howard Foster decides to declare it a knockdown. The bell comes at a time which is fortunate for Povetkin.

Povetkin and Price are both tired after 3 rounds, Povetkin is hurt, but seems to be able to recover during the minute.

Knowing he has to take risks, and knowing he can hurt his older, smaller opponent, Price fights braver in round 4, stands and trades with Povetkin, exchanges with him. The pace is high throughout round 4, Povetkin, still the better technical ability, and able to have success without exerting himself so much, Price, working himself very hard to try to drag Povetkin where he doesn't want to be, physically able to overpower Povetkin, and land with the heavier, more eye catching punches, but is frustrated by Povetkin's much superior ability to make himself hard to set up and draw onto counter punches, and the underdog is made to pay for his risk taking, as he is hit to head and body with solid shots, consistently.

Round 5 begins at a lowered pace, Price, exhausted, trying to rest before going back on the offensive, Povetkin, wary of both the danger his opponent is to him, and vise verse, patient, and intent on waiting, setting up his tiring opponent. It is Povetkin who does the work at a slow pace, takes the edge, and controls the action, and Price seems less methodical, and less controlled. Having been patient, set his opponent up well, chipped away at the body and head, Povetkin really pulls the trigger, landing flush with a devastating right hand to the head, not only hurting Price, but making him look like he is asleep on his feet, as Price loses all defensive instinct, and in a terrifying second, is completely static, and a very easy target for Povetkin who does what looks less difficult than it should be, as he follows up the right hand with a left hook, that sends Price down and out.

It is clear the fight is over, Price, barley concious, the towell comes in straight away, and there is conern for the safety of a very bloody David Price, who was knocked out in very devastating form.

Viewers are relieved to learn that despite the damage, David Price is safe, and less importantly, he is commended by most, after his valiant effort, his courage, having done better than most people thought he would, but retirement does seem likely for the humble Liverpudlian.

Alexander Povetkin struggled, was hurt, but used his experience, used his ring knowledge, took his chances at the right time, and won this fairly high profile fight in an emphatic way, making a statement in finishing the fight, and later, is revealed to be a strong candidate for the next opponent of the winner of the main event, meaning he would get the opportunity to fight for 3 of the 4 heavyweight world titles.




Fan Cards: Alexander Povetkin vs David Price


scorecard by ENDOFME1994
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ALEXANDER POVETKIN
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DAVID PRICE
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scorecard by R.KING
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scorecard by @THE-WEIGH-IN
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scorecard by RUTHLESS-RKO
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scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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scorecard by MJARSULIC
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scorecard by MATCHROOM
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scorecard by HTTP
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scorecard by JML14
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scorecard by ZAC.RJ
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scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
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scorecard by CHAMPION97
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scorecard by BOXING PURIST
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scorecard by SAM11333
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scorecard by GOLD
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scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
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Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

This is an exciting fight, it is perfect for a stacked bill, it is likely to end early, it isn't a high profile fight, but it is worthy of being built into a card like Joshua vs Parker, not only that, but it is a really good undercard fight.

Povetkin is clearly the favourite, there can be no complaints about that, not only does he have fewer losses, but everything he's done, all his well known wins, they have been at world level, his opponent, achieving, but at a much lower level, this being the case in the amateur ranks, and the paid ranks.

Price really is an underdog, I think he has a small chance, for what it's worth, I give him a higher chance of beating Povetkin, than I give Luis Ortiz of beating Wilder. I'd say Price has a 10% chance, it is a tall order, to say the least, I think him winning is unlikely, but he can't be written off. Price may have his issues in the ring, he may have lost to lesser fighters than Povetkin, but the Liverpudlian can punch, Povetkin, for all his success, can be hurt, and is 38 years old, as well as being much shorter and naturally smaller than Price.

I think Povetkin will win this, I think in 4 rounds, I can see it being a shorter version, less competitive, significant version of Lewis vs Bruno. I think Price will hurt Povetkin early, at least once, Povetkin has to be careful, because Price is younger, and a lot bigger than he is, as well as having the power to knock anybody out. I think Povetkin will have the better of the duration of the rounds, and he will take a toll on Price quite early in the fight, I think he has a lot more skill, and he knows how to defend himself from his vulnerabilities, whereas we've seen opponent after opponent zone in on Price's weaknesses and attack him. I think Povetkin will impress, let a volley of punches go, and knock Price out in 4.

David Price deserves credit, he has mental struggles in the ring, he has been stopped standing, but he has never quit, and he has certainly not given up, he keeps coming back into the ring, time and time again, he has guts, and a fighter always deserves credit for continuing to get in the ring after defeats.

I'd rather be like Price, a guy who loses, but has honesty, integrity, and simply loses to the better man on the night, in a fair, clean fight, than be a winner, who has a nice shelf full of medals and trophies, but beneath this, be a scheming scumbag who takes performance enhancing drugs. Povetkin should not be allowed to box ever again, when he was caught, when he was supposed to fight Wilder, that should have been it, done, but because of the flawed system in boxing, drug cheats are getting away with it, that has to change.

Gold's picture

This is an interesting fight from a promotional perspective and I think Hearn was smart to make it. This fight was exclusively made as a showcase for Povetkin in front of a British crowd as Povetkin is Anthony Joshua's WBA mandatory challenger. I believe this is as close to a 100/0 fight I've seen in a while, I don't believe this fight should be sanctioned by the BBBoC or by the WBA as it is a dangerous mismatch.

In terms of outside factors, I assume the large crowd Joshua draws will be behind Price, the fight will be in the UK and he's probably known to the UK public. I don't think the judges are relevant at all in this fight.

For Povetkin, this is his third shot at trying to get to a legitimate world title. He's a Olympic gold medal champion, a good all around boxer who used to have really good power. I don't think he really has any obvious weaknesses other than his size. He is only 6'2 with a 75 inch reach in the Super Heavyweight era. When he won the vacant fake WBA Heavyweight paper title in his first attempt at a legitimate world title, he beat some decent opposition such as Ruslan Chagaev and won a controversial decision over a prime Marco Huck. He then faced Wladimir Klitschko for the unified IBF, WBA, WBO and Ring Magazine Heavyweight championship. Klitschko fought an extremely ugly fight which serves as a good example of why shorter Heavyweights will have trouble winning titles in this era. Klitschko consistently clinched Povetkin, leaned on Povetkin, and pushed Povetkin’s head down. Povetkin tried to load up and expose Klitschko’s chin but was unable to, getting knocked down multiple times himself. Since that loss he has been in or around the top contender level, beating guys like Manuel Charr, Carlos Takam, and Mike Perez and getting a mandatory title shot versus Deontay Wilder before popping for steroids and being removed as the mandatory. Since being removed by the WBC, his power hasn’t been a very relevant factor. He has enough to get people’s respect, but has relied on outboxing lower level contenders like Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer. I think he is out of his prime at 38 years old but is still a top level Heavyweight contender.

For Price, this is probably his fourth last chance saloon. He had an extensive amateur career and won an Olympic bronze medal. However while he was being built up at the British domestic level and given his first contender level opponent in Tony Thompson, he got sparked in their first fight and their rematch. Since then, he has been on a low domestic level where he got destroyed by Erkan Teper and stopped by Christian Hammer. Price is 34 years old, 6’8 with an 82 inch reach, but seems to have no idea how to use his size to effectively box. In summation, he has a very low fight IQ and obviously a bad chin or put simply by Tyson Fury a “Big stiff idiot”.

Theoretically I’d say Price had a chance to win based on his massive size advantage and that he could follow an extremely poor man’s Klitschko plan. However as I mentioned previously, Price has absolutely no idea how to use his size and has a glass chin. He is levels below Povetkin. Povetkin is a significantly better boxer who will get inside on Price and KO him even with Povetkin’s decreased power. I would be surprised if this lasts four rounds.

If Povetkin wins, he gets the big money shot versus the winner of Anthony Joshua and Joseph Parker later this year. I believe this fight will be in Russia as to my knowledge Povetkin’s promoter is undefeated in purse bids with ungodly amounts of money to spend. I think this is the best fight that can be made in the Heavyweight division outside of Joshua vs. Wilder and Joshua vs. Parker. For Price, he has nothing to lose other than his health. I guess he will continue fighting on at the domestic level if he loses. Maybe the “Plumber from Liverpool” will get a final payday versus Tyson Fury in his comeback. If Price somehow wins, what a story for him. I assume he would take Povetkin’s spot as the WBA mandatory and will finally get his first world title shot. For Povetkin, he has a big market in Russia and would probably fight on at that level trying to get another world title shot.

Champion97's picture

Why do I get the sense you are replying to my comment?
Write whatever you want, but I think you should keep your opinions separate from mine, "I would be surprised if this lasts four rounds", fine, but don't reply to my comments, if that is not a problem.

Two quotes from Tyson Fury, the guy who has mental issues and is known for saying things which aren't true, two insults at David Price, that was not necessary.

But yeah, enjoy the site, have your opinions, but don't reply to my comments.

Gold's picture

I had this typed up on the first (proof: https://gyazo.com/ce7a51ebeb3c6b431fad5a0770c8f834), so before the fight was posted on here. I didn't post it as a reply to yours or have any way of reading yours before typing mine.

Fury is just trash talking, not a big deal really. Probably one of the best trash talkers in a long time excluding his controversial statements. Also, Fury is relevant to Price and vice versa.

Champion97's picture

I think to call this a dangerous mistmatch, and to say it is as close to 100/0 as you've seen in a while, is very much an exaggeration.

I disagree about Price not being able to use his size, he can get behind his jab, not saying he is great in that regard, but he isn't a fighter who may as well not have advantages because he abuses his advantages.

Fury is completely irrelevant.

Apart from those 3 things, can't disagree on anything you said, and that is a very good piint you make at the end there, there is nothing to be gained from fighting Povetkin, he will be avoided, especially nowadays, more fighters are thinking twice about fighting unclean opponents.

Gold's picture

It's not an exaggeration, commissions should not license someone who has been sparked four times by below world level opponents to fight a top 5 world heavyweight.

He can get behind his jab, but often he doesn't. If you look at the Thompson fights, he paws around a lot but he doesn't actually dictate the distance or set anything up with the jab which doesn't create any concern for his opponents. If you look at the Teper and Hammer fights, he doesn't use his size and ends up fighting in a phone booth which is how he ends up losing.

Fury isn't irrelevant, he makes a good point about Price even if it isn't in the nicest terms. Fury is also a good example of how to use size effectively.

Yeah, and we are seeing how he is going to get avoided. He is theoretically the WBA mandatory but is not in the conversation at all to fight Joshua.

Champion97's picture

For the sake of accuracy, Price has been sparked once, caught cold and recovered too slowly, once, and beaten into defencelessness and exhaustion twice, not that that is better, and I doubt Povetkin is top 5. I see your point, but if the WBC can order Wilder vs Stiverne II, and if a 45 year old Oquendo is allowed to fight for a world title again, then I don't think there is any particular reason to be against this fight. I think as long as the referee is monitoring the safety ofnthe fighters, as always, it should be ok, I mean, Price has been knocked out, ok, well you must be very worried about Jesus Soto Karass and Antonio Margarito, they are older than Price and have been knocked out more times. I certainly think this shouldn't be looked at 99/1, or even worse 100/0, but it is the difference between writing a guy off, and giving him a paper thin chance, I don't think any of us consider Price winning likely.

That is in his toolbox, but I agree he hasn't brought that ability up through the levels, although, he did use the jab to set up the right hand against Thompson, then again, how long was it before that ability faded?, not long.

WAS, not is, but was.

Gold's picture

Sorry I didn't reply, just didn't see it at the time.

That is just nitpicking like you mention, Price gets himself in trouble and gets knocked out. Povetkin is surely top 5 due to his body of work, I would like to see your top 5 if you think he isn't. Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin. The WBC in Stiverne's case and the WBA in Oquendo's case ordered those fights because of political and legal reasons respectively. Clearly Stiverne had no business being in the ring with Wilder again, but he was the #1 contender because of Don King so taking Stiverne on short notice was the best option possible. Karass should certainly not be sanctioned anymore. If Margarito wants to fight low-level opposition in Mexico than he should be allowed to, he has taken quite a lot of punishment but he has only been really knocked out once and doesn't appear to be a danger to himself. The difference between guys like Karass and Margarito versus Price is Karass and Margarito aren't able to fight top level opponents while Price gets to fight Povetkin. If Price beats Povetkin, it would be one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, there is a very good reason Price is a 12 to 1 underdog.

Thompson was not bad but Povetkin is by far the best opponent Price has faced and it isn't close. I've heard there was very little drug testing for this fight, who knows if Povetkin will risk it but Povetkin being back on steroids is worth considering.

Apparently good ol' Eddie Hearn has shifted course and is saying Joshua will fight Povetkin by the end of the year even though the sanctioning bodies would surely grant Joshua an exemption to unify titles with Wilder. Anything but Wilder I guess for Hearn and Joshua.

Champion97's picture

Don't worry man.

A little bit, but not as much as you like to do, haha.
Wilder
Joshua
Parker
Miller
H Fury
Look, they are examples, even if the scenarios aren't the same (and they aren't that different, you don't have to be a top level fighter, to be a threat to the safety of a vulnerable fighter), my point still stands, Povetkin vs Price does not stand out, Wilder vs Stiverne II, you have an explanation from the business side of boxing (you taught me something), but that was more of a "dangerous mismatch", "100/0" fight than Povetkin vs Price, Stiverne is older than Price, Wilder is more dangerous than Povetkin, and let's remember what the first Wilder fight did to Stiverne, it messed him up real bad. My point is not that Povetkin vs Price is not cause for concern for Price, not that the argument that it is a mismatch isn't strong, but to make it stand out as a dangerous mismatch, to say it is as close to 100/0 as you've seen in a while, is a real exaggeration, there is only so pointless, so unnecessary a fight can be when the underdog has age, size on his side, can wallop, and the favourite can be hurt. Ok, so if Spence vs Karass is confirmed, you'll react the same way? That's wrong, Margarito's a wreck!, and in terms of wear and tear, serious miles, not saying getting knocked out doesn't take it's physical and mental toll, but it is the long, sustained beatings which are worse long term, Price being sparked by Teper might have looked like the worse one, but Thomson, Hammer, hitting him with shot after shot, that's more long term damaging. Don't take any notice of bookies odds and all that shit, they don't know what they talking about, you want real odds and likelihood, get breakdowns from retired boxers and trainers, or anyone inside the boxing world, not someone who is in the gambling business, fat guy in a suit who likes to drain people's bank accounts. To be fair though, I just went off topic, whether it is the bookies, or people know boxing, Price is a very, very big underdog, and if he were to win this, it would be a huge upset, bigger than Klitschko vs Fury, Haye vs Bellew, Cotto vs Ali, DeGale vs Truax, bigger upset than I've seen in a while, certainly the heaviest upset I've seen in years, but this is not a 99/1 fight, or a particularly dangerous mismatch, I maintain that.

Oh of course he is, he always has been, these guys don't make one mistake and get caught, they do it generally, and maybe get caught once or twice. I don't quite agree on Povetkin, and this goes back to what we always disagree on. For all Povetkin's ability, all his success, and don't get me wrong, he almost always wins, granted, he's beat Byrd, Huck, Takam, but when he stepped up and fought Klitschko, he do well?, no he didn't, he didn't necessarily do better than Thomson the first time, not saying Thompson was ever as good as Povetkin, but I think it closer than you think. None of this really matters, what is important is, we both want Price to win, but highly doubt it, we both think he will get stopped inside 4.

They are smoking him out, like Paulie just said, "delay tactics", I've been saying this for a year, if you are 4 years younger than a dangerous opponent, make it matter as best you can, boxing is about timing, and in my opinion, Wilder has until the end of 2019 to beat Joshua, any later, Joshua beats him.

Gold's picture

Not saying you are objectively wrong with that list, but you must put a lot of stock in Miller and Fury's eye test because they haven't beat anyone good. Povetkin has a much better resume, has shown very good skills and Ortiz probably has a better resume and has shown more skills than Miller and Fury. Povetkin vs. Price specifically annoys me because it is sanctioned by the WBA (and WBO?) as a final title eliminator. In no world is Price's career in the spot where he should be considered a valid opponent for a final title eliminator. Stiverne was at least a world champion, has beat some decent opposition albeit years ago and hadn't had anywhere near the damage inflicted on him that Price has. Theoretically, you are right in that Price has a chance, he has a punch. However, I said before Povetkin is the best opponent he has faced by far so through looking at their careers I have no real reason to give Price any chance. Povetkin hasn't had an issue with the big opponents he has faced so far in his career, and to say Price has age on his side, yeah he does but Price is older himself. Povetkin can take power fine, Wlad had a hell of a punch and Povetkin still made it twelve rounds. If Spence fought Karass I would be even more concerned, Spence would do serious damage to Karass. Again, guys like Margarito aren't facing guys on Povetkin's level. I agree, taking the beatings is certainly worse than just getting sparked, but neither are good at all and Price has a bad chin. Bookies do usually get it in the right ballpark, that's why they are in business. For example, a lot of people thought Rigondeaux had a good chance versus Lomachenko but the bookies got it right. No one in boxing thinks Price will win either unless they are trying to big Price up. A lot of people want Price to win, but that's not being analytical about it.

He got destroyed by Wlad but Wlad was in his absolute prime. That version of Wlad would certainly be the favorite versus any current heavyweight. The version of Wlad that Thompson fought wasn't in his prime yet and Thompson got KO'd while Povetkin made it the distance. They both did really poorly though and that's just nitpicking to talk about their performances versus Wlad. Povetkin has a great body of work outside of Wlad which is better than Thompson's. Price winning would be fun as a way to rock the boat, I agree.

Yeah, I understand Eddie Hearn is just "marinating" the fight to make more money a la De La Hoya and Arum. As fans though, we can all recognize the fight is ready now in terms of competition so it is annoying to have to wait. I agree, the longer the fight takes to make the better chance Joshua has.

Champion97's picture

I understand, you are looking at this from the point of view of "who's proven what?", and that's fine, but I'm looking at it from a different angle as well. In boxing, I factor in everything, not just who's beaten who, now, experience, levels, two very important aspects, so is youth, momentum, Hughie Fury is a very good boxer, he has impressed time and time again, at a fairly high level, lost a disputed decision to Joseph Parker, I expect him to box rings around Sam Sexton, I'm not saying he is as good as his cousin was/could have been, and I don't think he is the best. Jarrell Miller and Hughie Fury are both young fighters who have priven themselves at a fairly high level, and based on what I've seen (performances, size, skill, footwork, power etc), I believe they would continue to win at a higher level than they have already proven theselves at, and in doing so, would defeat a 38 year old Povetkin, and a 39 year old Ortiz, that's my opinion.

With all due respect, you are being harsh there, just think about the kind of opponents who get world title shots nowadays, did you stop to consider that maybe the reason Price is getting this opportunity is because boxing is about building cases and negotiating (in a promotional sense) and he has been hard done by, been beaten badly by two confirmed drug cheats, that's 75% of his losses.

Let me stop you there, that's not necessarily true, I say only not necessarily because Price has lost more than 2 fights.
Stiverne took 12 rounds of brutal punishment from Deontay Wilder, he was laid up in hospital for 5 days, ruined, dropped by Derric Rossey (guy who lost to Audley Harrison) in his only fight between the Wilder fights, was older, less active than Price, and like I said, two things, let's not just loom at this from the angle of "Stiverne was a world champion", this is about damage and vulnerability, that's this topic, it is about timing!!, 12 rounds agaisnt Wilder, that put more damage on Stiverne than all Price's defeats put together I say, Stiverne had already been stopped before that, so at best, there is not much in it for damage, but come on, I think you're being a little bit stubborn here.
For the sake of not being a hypocritie, you do make some good points, one, boxing isn't about being hypothetical, it is about proving yourself, and in that sense, Povetkin definitely desreves a top 5 ranking. Two, Price got stopped brutally against Thompson, Hammer, and Stiverne, for all his damage, went 12, plus, it is one fight, but with me taking that into consideration, you should consider my points.

I give them no credit for that whatsoever, bookies suck, they do not know boxing!

With all due respect I think that is crazy, I very, very strongly disagree, I mean, just remember what you are saying, boxing is a young man's sport, REALLY, it is for under 30s, in my opinion, it shouldn't ever really be for the over 35, and you say a 38 year old Klitschko was in his prime, come on!, I mean, I think you are trying to hard to make your case and you're getting carried away, it is ridiculous (even for a 6'6 heavyweight) to say that Klitschko against Thompson, lacking no experience, fully developed physically, maturity wise, and in terms of learning, wasn't as good as much later on in his thirties, maybe he looked better against Povetkin because when the Russian stepped up, he was found out to be not quite as good as he had been made to look, and Thompson is the opposite. Thompson isn't Povetkin, but there is not a lot in it in my opinion, and a prime Tony Thompson would have given Povetkin some real trouble, maybe nit as much as Huck, but still real problems. Doesn't mean a great deal, he was tne favourite against Fury, Fury beat him. That's why I think he is even better than Thompson. Do not write him off, and don't exaggerate this tall order as being mission impossible, in my opinion, it is like 90/10, maybe 95/5, it is a big, big ask, but he has a shot, I guess we could look at it this way, Povetkin has say 6 good ways to win, Price has 1 good way to win.

Well yeah, but nobody forces us to pay anything, it is what it is, if we don't like it, we can clear off, but long waits don't put us off the sport. I think it is just little crucial differences, as time goes on, the minute will be less and less helpful for Wilder, his ounch resistance will dip, engine will shrink, injury susceptibility will increase, his ability to follow up attacks will dip, the amount of time in rests he needs after a big effort, will increase. I mean, Wilder is 32, not old, certainly not for a tall heavyweight, his best attribute is his power, and that doesn't let you down so soon, and his decline is happening slowly, but I just think it is too close for Wilder to able to afford even minor decline, and Joshua, I think, might still be improving, might not peak for another year or two.

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Tale of the tape

Povetkin
Height: 188
Reach: 191
Age: 38
Career heaviest weight: 232
Career lightest weight: 219
Year of debut: 2005
Fights: 34
Wins: 33
KO percentage: 68
Activity rate (2016-present): 3 fights
Experiences of boxing 12 rounds: 6
Knockouts inside 2 rounds: 7
World title contests: 6
Eliminators/International title contests: 8
Unbeaten opponents: 2
Opponents with losing records: 1
Amateur record: 125-7
Amateur CV: 2004 Olympic gold medalist in Athens, at super heavyweight. Defeated Roberto Cammarelle twice. World championship gold medalist in 2003, competing in Thailand.

Price
Height: 203
Reach: 208
Age: 34
Career heaviest weight: 279
Career lightest weight: 244
Year of debut: 2009
Fights: 26
Wins: 22
KO percentage: 69
Activity rate (2016-present): 4 fights
Experiences of boxing 12 rounds: 0
Knockouts inside 2 rounds: 11
World title contests: 0
Eliminators/International title contests: 0
Unbeaten opponents: 1
Opponents with losing records: 6
Amateur record: Unknown
Amateur CV: Defeated Tyson Fury. ABA super heavyweight national champion in 2003. Won a silver medal in Finland in 2004, Tammer tournament. 2006 gold medalist, Commonwealth games in Australia. AIBA world championship competitor, in 2005, and 2007, competing in China, the the USA.

Best opponents between them (opinionated)
1. Wladimir Klitschko (Povetkin lost, UD)
2. Marco Huck (Povetkin won, MD)
3. Chris Byrd (Povetkin won, TKO 11)
4. Carlos Takam (Povetkin won, TKO 10)
5. Eddie Chambers (Povetkin won, UD)
6. Mike Perez (Povetkin won, KO 1)
7. Manuel Charr (Povetkin won, TKO 7)
8. Tony Thompson (Price lost, TKO 2. Price lost, TKO 5)
9. Christian Hammer (Povetkin won, UD. Price lost, TKO 7)
10. Cedric Boswell (Povetkin won, KO 8)

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This is my first post on this website. I love your commitment to this site. Literally every relevant fight I've viewed, you've posted something about. I do certainly agree that povetkin has fought better opposition, but I honestly can't understand your ordering of the fighters at all. Why did you put Huck as the best win between them both? Huck had no experience at heavyweight and gave up 19 and 3/4ths lbs to povetkin yet still carried him to a majority decision. If anything that fight served to make him look like shit. I am no fan of povetkin, let that be known. Anyone is combat sports who used drugs should be barred from the sport, but he should be clean coming into this one. I don't think you should even count the thompson fights after the controversy, but I suppose they are still relevant to the conversation. Price hasn't been the same, since those ko's. He got roy jones'd/he was knocked out two times, back-to-back, and now his jaw is shot. I am rooting for price in this one. Nothing says he should win other than his power, but even that seems to be gone now. His only chance in my mind is to use the butterbean strategy (which butterbean himself never used for some reason). He should move. Move, move, move, do to povetkin what ali did to liston. I don't know how much price trains his legs, but I assume, as with most boxers, he doesn't do it enough. He can easily compensate for his stanima by sticking povetkin with a good 1 or 1-2 to make him cover and then moving in and tieing povetkin up while dragging him down. It is illegal to lean on another fighter, but if he can easily push down on povetkins arms without leaning his head of shoulders on him and the ref likely won't call it. He needs to rise and repeat this every 2:00 to 2:15 of every round and then roll the dice in the end of the round (maybe stop at the 10 second warning just in case he gets an after the bell penalty), so he'll have 1:00 minute to recover, when the round ends and cover up his stanima issue. Povetkin works the body well so he's going to need to use a ken buchanan style (easier said than done) to use his range, but keep his body farther back, to keep from being worked on too easily. Than again his jaw's still booty, but at the same time povetkin hasn't even knocked anyone down since he got busted, including christian hammer who price knocked down at his career heaviest (ok he had been heavier in 1 other fight by 3 and 3/4th lbs but that was against a 22-30 bum). Price is far from his best and will probably do the exact opposite of what I'm asking, but povetkins 38, off the stuff, and fading. Anything can happen.

Champion97's picture

Welcome to Eye on the ring!

Always great to have a discussion.

Good question, I ranked him the best defeated opponent because he had the most world title wins, he was a massive cruiserweight, and Povetkin is a small heavyweight, at 38, he's still only about 230 I think, I'm saying there wasn't a weight advantage, but I don't think it was significant enough that it wasn't a great win, and also, and to make this clear, it wasn't easy to write that list, I see your argument, but the fact that Povetkin won an MD, doesn't that tell you something about how hard he had to work for the win and possibly what that might mean?

Why? I mean, Ortiz, Povetkin, all these criminals, when they get angry, they are really angry at themselves for getting caught, they learn from past slip ups, how not to get caught, Povetkin is on drugs every fight I think, I find his 12 round consistency at this level suspect, at 38, even for a heavyweight.

I don't think Price ever had a chin, but I agree, he is a vulnerable fighter. I don't agree about his power, I do not think that will ever go, he has a chance, he is younger, bigger, and he is a guy with a big punch taking on a guy who really can be hurt, but in all realism, it's just the sheer calibre, levels, extent and quality of experience, from the start of their amateur careers, all the way to now. I think it is difficult to make a case that Price will win this one, for what it is worth, he can hurt Povetkin, mark my words, but Povetkin knows what to do when hurt, Takam, Huck hurt him, couldn't beat him, whenever Price is hurt, he gets lost in the fog, and never manages to survive.

Interesting tactics, but in all realism, I think it takes a wiley veteran professional boxer who knows a lot of dirty tricks, to apply tactics like that, without it going horribly wrong.

I agree, never write off a puncher.

Good to talk to you!

Champion97's picture

Just a week to go now Pricey, you know what you gotta do come Saturday 31, put the little old motherf***** on his ass!!, knock his block off!

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I'm really looking forward to this fight! I would be so happy if Price pulls out the big upset and wins, when no one is giving him a chance. My head tells me Povetkin will win easily, but my heart still hopes for Price! Exciting!

Champion97's picture

I'm in the same boat!
People are nasty, give you small credit for winning and s*** on you when you lose, and man, Price gets torn apart by p***** on YouTube, but in all realism, he is a threat to Povetkin, for a good 2 rounds, he is dangerous for any short, 230 lb 38 year old with a questionable chin, for all his issues, Price can punch!, and he is a giant.

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What Price really needs is to learn how to tie up fighters on the inside. If he keeps Povetkin at bay with his long jab and then ties him up in close, basically does what Klitschko did against Povetkin, then he’s got a chance. It's unfortunate that Price is terrible at controlling the distance, but hopefully he's had a good trainer for this fight who has taught him that. I hope Price lands early in order to shake Povetkin up and boost his own confidence. I would so much like Price to win this one... Yeah, it really sickens me to see how awful people are on youtube and on social media, we have become sort of an asshole-culture, where we like to put people down rather than cheering them on. Tonight, let's hope that the PRICE is right!

Champion97's picture

Spot on analysis!
That's what he has always struggled with at a much lower level, he can't fight in the pocket, he can't work for 3 minutes, and as he went up through the levels, he didn't take with him his long range ability we saw from him at British level, not really, and what I think let's him down the most, aside from his stamina, chin, is is his lack of resources when he is in trouble, he has no survival skills, and when he is hurt, he had guts, doesn't quit, but is always lost, and there to be beaten up or knocked out.

Price has to put his eggs all in one basket, but in doing so, he will be a 3 round fighter at best, if he lands a good right hand on Povetkin, he can hurt, drop him, but say Povetkin is composed enough to get up, and use his survival ability, Price has to absolutely throw caution to the wind, throw the guy on the floor if he has to, but do anything to gain control, stop Povetkin from doing what his mind wants him to do, if not, then his follow up will sap everything out of him, and he won't inflict sustained damage on Povetkin, the Russian will recover, and if that happens, Price has no chance, because in terms on general boxing, and point picking ability, going through the gears, working at different paces, and with variety, it really is no contest, and as well, Price's chin certainly won't be better now than it has been in the past, at 34, he will only gas more easily than in the past, and I think once 3 rounds are in tne books, it is more or less 100% Povetkin's fight to lose.

Haha good one mate :) Pov might be made to pay the Price for taking PEDs!

Gold's picture

https://twitter.com/LennoxLewis/status/980278321031368704 Unfortunate to hear Price couldn't be bothered to be motivated enough to work with an all-time great Heavyweight in preparation for the biggest fight of his career

Champion97's picture

You can be as stubborn as you like, scrape the bottom of the barrell to make your case, but this fight was not the mismatch you thought it would be, Price did better than you thought he would, what I said before the fight was right, the only thing which surprised me was how competitive Price was for the duration of the rounds.

Couldn't be bothered? My motto is, don't judge others, because you never know what people go through. Stop trying to hate on people and criticise people for no good reason. You seem to be trying to walk a mile to make negative points about a boxer who has been in the ring time and time again, but now is the time to stop. Would you still be ripping on Price if the fight had been the 100/0 or 99/1 fight you'd predicted.

Gold's picture

That is not my personal judgment, that is the judgment of an all-time great Heavyweight who Price could learn a lot from and instead decided not to.

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But it was necessary to post that on here? Lennox Lewis says many things, that's the most interesting quote you could find? Come on man.
Price is better than you say he is, and he did better against Povetkin than either of us thought you would, acknowledge that, and move on.

Gold's picture

Yes, it gives an interesting perspective on Price's preparation or lack thereof. That is a good quote regarding Price and his training from someone who was in the camp.

Champion97's picture

What it was was stupidity from you, and you being petty.
I don't have much time for arrogant know it alls.

Like I said, don't judge, know where you stand, and accept when you get something wrong, you aren't mature enough to admit it, but you got this one wrong.

I lost my reply, and I'm pissed, but later, or tomorrow, I will rewrite a response to that comment you sent me today about Crawford going to 147, I'll tell you now, you do not know as much on that topic as you think you do, and parts of your comment were BS.

Champion97's picture

But it was necessary to post that on here? Lennox Lewis says many things, that's the most interesting quote you could find? Come on man.
Price is better than you say he is, and he did better against Povetkin than either of us thought you would, acknowledge that, and move on.

Champion97's picture

What a fight!
That was very competitive, but ultimately, dangerous, this sport is brutal, and David Price, I think went from being an opponent, to being a victim. That finish was frightening, Price took that big right hand, and then lost all defensive instinct, he was there to be knocked out in that split second, the left hook just blew him over, I think he was already done.

I expected Price to get stopped, I expected it to be brutal, but I didn't think it would be quite that brutal, and I didn't expect him to get knocked into that degree of limbo, be that vulnerable. I think Price should definitely retire now, that was career finishing, to say the least. I think a few months ago, Price never thought he would get an opportunity like this, a world title eliminator, against a name like Alexander Povetkin, and be at the top an undercard, followed by a main event which is an Anthony Joshua fight, and a unification fight as well, and I think now he has had a fight like this, he's proven what he is capable of now.

I think Povetkin deserves to be Anthony Joshua's next opponent, he's won everything, done everything right before and since the Klitschko fight, won fights like this (everything but a world title fight) fight, time and time again, if I were him, I wouldn't accept any money not to fight AJ. Povetkin is old, he's declining, and retirement should be near, I think if he gets the shot against Joshua, and he loses, that should be his last fight.

Povetkin had a hard time in this fight, he was hurt a couple of times, he was blowing hard after rounds 3 and 4, but what I noticed, was also how well he was able to use the minute as a rest, nearly as well as when he was younger, his tactics to really zone in on Price's weaknesses worked well. I thought Povetkin's defensive instinct in round 3 was great, he probably didn't take the risk until he knew it was late in the round, and when he took that left hook, his legs went briefly, he was hurt, but I think he might have instinctively moved back to the ropes as fast as he could, to stay up without touching down, some referees wouldn't have declared it a knockdown.

For the duration of the rounds, this was closer than I thought it would be, Price was using his jab, he wasn't wasting anything, he blocked well, but the fact that he was going the extra mile to compete with his opponent was clear, and it was taking a lot out of him, he had to sustain a high pace, hurt Povetkin, to have any chance of winning. Povetkin had many more tactical options, he could use his brain, take his time, whereas Price was under pressure to put all his eggs in one basket, and take whatever chance he had.

Price did better than I thought, he was strong for 4 rounds, I didn't expect him to sustain a pace like that beyond 3, his jab, defence, better than I thought, but I don't think he was winning, and just as we expected, he physically could not hold up against the punches in round 5, when he had faded, like I expected, he had no defensive instincts, and when hurt, he was even more bewildered than I thought, and after that right hand landed, I think ideally, the referee should have stopped it, even without a knockdown, and it only being one punch, but there can't be any complaints, the main thing is, Price is safe.

This was no 50/50 fight, Price is not on Povetkin's level, but this was still a good little fight, swings in momentum, Povetkin dropped Price, Price dropped Povetkin, and then Povetkin knocked Price out.